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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 14:26:02 GMT
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on May 1, 2023 15:07:49 GMT
This photo is said to have been taken in Dec 1913
Second from the front is the well known Breguet U or possibly G type which were built in many different versions.
If anyone can ID the first front aircraft I would be very happy
Cheers Stig
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 15:12:41 GMT
Hi Stig....You got in quick! I think the nearest aircraft is on the stand of the Emaillite company which made the transparent fabric covering the aircraft...whether they also made the structure I don't know (yet 😀 )
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on May 1, 2023 15:26:28 GMT
Hi Stig....You got in quick! I think the nearest aircraft is on the stand of the Emaillite company which made the transparent fabric covering the aircraft...whether they also made the structure I don't know (yet 😀 ) Well Micky, I checked that company name in Opdycke's French Aeroplanes before the Great War and as far as is known Emaillite didn't design or build any aircraft of their own. How did you know the company made the fabric? I googled the name and all I get is a total blank and a lot of bla, bla bla.... Cheers Stig
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 15:53:09 GMT
Stig..Good job you joined in as I'm learning as I go !😀 I think I read that Emaillite was a transparent fabric on a photo caption*...in fact it was a clear dope containing about 10% tetrachloroethane (known to be lethally toxic 100 years ago!! now rated as a carcinogen) Google Emaillite in the search field 'Books'....so likely a chemical company not an airframe manufacturer *EDIT...the photo and Emaillite reference came from Kees Kort's Flickr posting www.flickr.com/photos/varese2002/30725978514
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on May 1, 2023 16:23:04 GMT
Great Micky Yes I know Kees, he is THE authority on the 1903 - 1920 period. As you can see in his remarkable text he also identifies the actual aircraft as the Moreau Aerostable and sure enough that's where it is in Opdycke's book... Cheers Stig PS: Seems all you had to do, if suicidal, to take a deep breath beside the Emaillite stand....
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:42:12 GMT
1919 The poster for the first post-WWI Paris Salon looks to the future of international civilian air transport The Bleriot stand in the French section featuring their large cabin biplane Many international manufacturers names under the glass roof of the Grand Palais....the large twin boom triplane can only be the Caproni Ca58 ( which had 5 engines, just to be different?) Foreground a Farman Goliath transport with a Handley-Page G-EAPJ to the rear On Louis Breguet 's stand a Breguet 14 Tbis Hydravion(floatplane) and a Breguet 18T Berline(enclosed passenger cabin) F-CMAX9 The Marcay biplane....' the smallest aeroplane in the world' Boulton Paul P.10 a type used to develop steel structures also incorporating a small amount of early plastic Attachments:
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:42:27 GMT
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:42:45 GMT
1922 The CAMS 20E 2 seat trainer probably at the 1922 Salon Latecoere L.A.T.6 www.flickr.com/photos/varese2002/50905753636/in/dateposted/ (Kees Kort/ Flickr) The Paris Salon was very much a static indoor exhibition until aftar WWII but Caudron F-AETM piloted by Beseler enlivened the 1922 Salon by landing right outside the Grand Palais Attachments:
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:42:59 GMT
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:43:11 GMT
1926 Fokkers in the foreground The single engine parasol wing French monoplane with a corrugated fuselage is the 'Avimeta' 88 fighter The LeO 20 night bomber probably at the 1926 Salon
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:43:22 GMT
1928 Junkers ' Bremen' in foreground Breguet #1685 mounted dramatically on the stand and showing signs of use. This was the record breaking Breguet 19 GR of aviators Costes and Lebrix * which made a South Atlantic crossing to Brazil ,its partial round the world flight via North America used sea transport across the Pacific (*the Breguet was commemoratively named after Nungesser& Coli lost in 1927 over the North Atlantic) , Attachments:
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:43:33 GMT
1930 Foreground: the very unusual twin-boom Bleriot125 airliner The first CAMS 80 amphibian had an enclosed cockpit, the second 2 years later , an open cockpit....both saw some use by the Aeronautique Navale in the 1930s Small flying boat ( Shreck ?....1930 salon?) Blended fin Couzinet 30 German aerial activity was reviving .....a Dornier X Has flying-boat D -1967 was exhibited 1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/McBrideBill/9359.htm
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:43:45 GMT
1932 The flying boat is a CAMS 95 and the trainer in front is a Hanriot 13 F-AMBS? The larger type second from camera identified by registration F-AKDY is an S.P.C.A 40T (aka 218) ( French state company manufactured)....and with a little poking around on Air History's Golden Years online register the foreground aircraft seems to be F-AKFH the prototype S.P.C.A 80 Some details of S.P.C.A here : www.flickr.com/photos/varese2002/52757762228/in/dateposted/Liore et Olivier Leo 300 ( possibly a mock-up?) Cierva autobiography Farman Salmson lightplane with single main wheel
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Post by mickywest on May 1, 2023 16:43:55 GMT
1934 Italian Jobs....... The Macchi M.72 Schneider Cup contender From the NACA file on the1934 Paris Salon digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc65353/Breda 27 pursuit monoplane Fiat pursuit biplane Salon selection 1 Salon selection 2 Heinkel He-70 mailplane D-AQAR Junkers 52 floatplane 3x Juno5 heavy oil(diesel engines) Juan Cierva about to demonstrate his autogiro outside the Grand Palais
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