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Post by davidkeeble on Jun 6, 2018 13:37:18 GMT
Thanks Micky,
I think I now understand. Your photos come direct from the internet, whereas I am trying to display photos that are kept on my laptop.
I don't know about you, but I am finding this Forum much easier to use than the Yahoo hosted ABIX (nothing wrong with ABIX - just the Yahoo hosted bit)
David
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Post by mickywest on Jun 8, 2018 22:40:33 GMT
Neutral but friendly Portugal's capital ,Lisbon was an important refuelling stop for the allies civilian air services.Flying boats landed at Cabo Ruivo on the River Tagus. BOAC's landplanes used the grass field at Sintra (initially DH Albatross and Lockheed 14 were used, then KLM DC-3s on contract with British registrations and camouflage). From October 1942 the Portela airfield with hard runways was available. The 1943 photograph by Mario Novais from the Gulbenkian Flickr archive shows one KLM DC-3, 3 BOAC Dakotas and 3 BOAC Liberators (clicks to larger)
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Post by mickywest on Jun 8, 2018 22:57:58 GMT
Neutral Portugal had an airline , Aero Portuguesa, backed by Air France , and it was from Vichy France they acquired the very desirable Lockheed 18 , CS-ADD in the photo (This flew very little in WWII). Behind, a Lufthansa DC-3 (war booty) and a Spanish DC-2 both down from Madrid
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Post by mickywest on Jun 8, 2018 23:06:14 GMT
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Post by mickywest on Jun 9, 2018 12:56:52 GMT
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Post by mickywest on Jun 9, 2018 13:05:08 GMT
Photographs of flying boat operations from the River Tagus, Lisbon are not very common. The Pan American Clipper service European Terminal moved to neutral Lisbon when WWII commenced. Here's Eve Curie, journalist and New York socialite, leading passengers up the pier at the Cabo Ruivo flying boat facility, 1940...(America was still at peace) The Pan American Boeing 314s suffered only one loss during WWII, that of Yankee Clipper NC18603 which dug a wingtip landing at Lisbon in 1943 and sank with some loss of life. It's wreck was recovered from the River Tagus.
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Post by mickywest on Jun 9, 2018 13:09:31 GMT
Very few photos of BOAC flying boats at Lisbon exist , either, but here's Short G-class Golden Horn G-AFCK after it lost a float landing in 1942, the faired in tail turret it acquired in it's 1941 RAF service just visible The Golden Horn , probably during the repairs to its wing float, Lisbon, 1942 In January 1943 G-AFCK caught fire on a test flight after an engine change and crashed into the River Tagus with only 2 survivors. The wreckage was partly recovered Attachments:
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Post by mickywest on Jul 21, 2018 19:51:50 GMT
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Post by mickywest on Jul 28, 2018 17:54:09 GMT
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Post by mickywest on Oct 30, 2018 13:42:28 GMT
Going back to the military conversions of the Short G-class flying boats there is some coverage in Tim Mason's book 'The Seaplane Years'..in the b&w photo of a G-class at Helensburgh the registration ...'FCK can be read under the port wing so it's Golden Horn Since the colour profile is based on a b&w photo with its background censored out ,it should be treated with caution as a source Attachments:
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Post by nigeldingley on Oct 31, 2018 7:38:50 GMT
Interesting to see this in comparison to the first photo on the board back in April.
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Post by mickywest on Oct 31, 2018 17:05:07 GMT
Yes....My assumption that large Union Jacks were painted on the BOAC flying boats after Captain James trip to Las Palmas after about October 1940, now has to be abandoned. The latest b&w photo has its background heavily censored raising the possibility other alterations were made to the photo
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2019 19:49:58 GMT
Going back to the shot of G-AGCJ on June 5th, Richard Pflug from the Netherlands has supplied more information about the DC-3 in the front of the photo - Indeed it's a KLM DC 3: PH-ARZ re-registered to G-AGBE "Zilverreiger". This DC-3 escaped the Netherlands on May 13th 1940 piloted by the famous KLM Captain Koene Dirk Parmentier.
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Post by rpflug on Apr 15, 2019 22:19:14 GMT
Thanks for adding me to this forum! I'm from the Netherlands and I've always been fascinated by the pioneering years of aviation. In this thread I saw some pictures where KLM planes in camouflage were visible. The Dutch author Jan Hagens wrote 2 books on the KLM during WW II: "Londen of Berlijn?" (London or Berlin?). It is quite an amazing history! After the Netherlands were occupied by the Germans in May 1940 the KLM got split up in 4 parts: - KLM in occupied Holland: forced to work for the German Army, repairing planes, overhauling engines and such.
- KLM in Bristol and later Whitchurch: eventually operating the Lisbon line under charter from BOAC with planes that escaped from the Netherlands, were stationed in Lisbon, or were en route between Napals and Batavia when the Germans attacked on May 10th 1940
- KLM in the Dutch East Indies: amongst others flying British Royal Mail and passengers from Java to Palestine visa versa, until Japan steamrolled over the pacific and the fleet evacuated to Australia
- KLM in the Dutch West Indies: operating lines in the Caribbean
After a lot of negotiations the KLM started in Bristol with 5 DC 3's and a DC 2. One DC 3 was written off in a landing accident in heavy fog. One DC 3 was hit by a German bomb. And one DC 3 (G-AGBB former PH-ALI 'Ibis") was shot down over the Gulf of Biscay. I've attached 3 images from these books: - Hoisting the Dutch flag at Whitchurch on August 31st 1942 Queens day (the Birthday of Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands)
- KLM crew members in front of G-AGBE (former PH-ARZ) "Zilverreiger". Left to Right: wireless operator Gerard Blauw, wireless operator Cor van Brugge (who was crew member of the Uiver winning the handicap section of the London-Melbourne race in October 1934 and who was later shot down over the Gulf of Biscay with the "Ibis"), second officer Jan Stroeve and Captain Evert van Dijk (who crossed the Atlantic with Charles Kingsford Smith in 1928 and played a major role in the evacuation of Java in February/March 1942)
- Loading a Dinghy onto G-AGBD (former PH-ARB) "Buizerd" for a flight to Lisbon. You can clearly see K.L.M. Royal Dutch Airlines painted on the door. Although the KLM crew operated under charter from BOAC, the KLM planes stayed KLM property, serviced and flown by KLM crew. The crews were proud to be flying their planes under KLM flag and helping in the war effort against all odds (and in the beginning against a lot of misstrust). I read that Quirines Tepas, one of the KLM captains who was later shot down with the "Ibis", once said to a passenger who was puzzled by the KLM signs in the cabin: "The only thing British on this plane is the camouflage paint. And that's wearing off rather quickly"
During WW II the KLM operated a total of 1463 flights between the UK and Lisbon.
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Post by mickywest on May 3, 2019 22:45:23 GMT
Wartime timetable Weston-Cardiff, but it wont have been by Empire Flying-boat!! t have
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