Not a subject on which I am likely to be able to contribute much, but cross-reference between the Polish table in the book (P221-P223) and "Polish Wings 22" reveals one anomaly in the previous identities.
The same RAF serials are known, but in the case of E2734, our book says it became 20.16, whereas "Polish Wings 22" says it became 20.15.
I am just highlighting this in case anyone out there can resolve the problem.
Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jul 13, 2021 18:34:04 GMT
Checking my Polish sources, we sort of have a stalemate here
My first initial is Andrzej Morgala and Samoloty Wojskowe w Polsche 1918-1924 where he lists 20.15 as unknown 20.16 ex E2734
Kopanski lists these two aircraft the opposite way.
Both Morgala and Kopanski are well known (at least in Polish circles) and as an outsider it is quite impossible to say who is right. Since I am not Polish speaking (or reading the language) I have not seen any relevant Polish surviving documents, and it would most likely be pretty useless anyway....
Oddly enough Kopanski and Polish Wings 22 is mentioned in the Bibliography section in our Bristol book, but Morgala's is not. In the Acknowledgements page, some Polish names stick out: Tomek Kopalski, Wojtek Matusiak, Piotr Mrozowski, Wojtek Sankowski and Piotr Wisniewski (my apologies if some of these are not Polish citizens) This may indicate one of them has alerted our authors about a possible printing error in Polish Wings 22.
Perhaps Phil Jarrett can shed some light over this discrepancy?
Another very minor comment. The photo of A7147 on Page 8 shows this aircraft to have been wearing code 5 at the time of its capture on 18 Aug 18. This code needs adding to the individual listing on page 261.
A further comment, this time about the panel on Page 18 about the Bristol MR.1, of which two were built: A5177 A5178 One of these two later became A58623, which is well-photographed. The book says it was ex A5178. However, most other sources (eg Putnam) say that A5177 was the machine that became A58623. BAE Systems Heritage also go with this version: www.baesystems.com/en-uk/heritage/bristol-13-mr1-all-metal-biplane Thoughts welcome!
Post by Stig Jarlevik on Nov 16, 2021 13:06:59 GMT
First of all I have no proof as to which one is which, but checking a few sources this is what I can locate and draw conclusions from.
Both MR.1s were ordered under contract 87/A/865 dated 2.11.1916 Some official details obviously remain of A5177 since it was reported as "ready" in Feb 1917 while A5178 is not mentioned until Oct 1918. Further more A5177 was allocated to CTD (Controller of the Technical Department) 25.10.1918, SOC 19.11.1918 due to corrosion, still known with CTD in Dec 1918. Of A5178 I have no further details. Not sure what CTD was, but probably a part of RAE at the time.
The first British historian who placed A5178 as the aircraft allocated A.58623 was J.M. "Jack" Bruce in 1957 or earlier (British Aeroplanes 1914-1918) Even if the story in our Bristol Fighter book differ from British Aeroplanes 1914-1918 (Bruce place A5178 with the Aeronautical Inspection Directorate at Kingsway where it underwent static tests and got the number A.58623) both books say A5178 became A.58623
Checking Barnes Bristol Aircraft since 1910 both he and our Bristol Fighter book says A5178 was w/o 19.4.1919 by Capt Barnwell. That, to me, does not sound like an aircraft which has undergone static tests and looking at A.58623 doesn't look like an aircraft which has crashed and become a static test airframe.
So adding all things together, I find it much more credible that A5177, when SOC due to corrosion, went to Kingsway and received the odd "static test" serial A.58623. Only one photo, as far as I know, exists showing that serial number.