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Post by andym on Oct 30, 2022 19:42:37 GMT
I missed one:
AX891 to SAAF 2572
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Post by andym on Jan 5, 2023 11:04:59 GMT
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Post by andym on Jan 7, 2023 12:46:48 GMT
Maryland AH318 of 203 Sqn was lost on 15.3.4 2, not 1943, by which time the squadron was flying the Baltimore. The sortie is listed in the 203 Sqn ORB AIR27/1199/3 at: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8392744without mentioning that the aircraft crashed... |
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jan 7, 2023 16:01:51 GMT
Andy
I shouldn't bet my last penny on that.
I checked Gunby/Temple and they list the aircraft in service with No 12 SAAF at the time.
Oddly enough with the s/n listed as both 1628 and AH318, probably meaning it still carried AH318 but
since it was also allocated the SAAF serial 1628 this had not yet been painted on the aircraft.
The same data and date is in Winston Brent's 85 years of SAAF
So perhaps it should be looked for in the SAAF files?
Cheers
Stig
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Post by andym on Jan 8, 2023 11:49:05 GMT
Stig,
True, but looking at the crashes in SAAF 85, it is amazing that "1628/AH318" is the only one listed without any crew details.
The serials book says "allotted SAAF No.1628" as opposed to all the others which say "to SAAF as No.1620" etc.
Perhaps Steve can come up with the record card?
Andy
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jan 8, 2023 12:45:59 GMT
Not sure I follow you here Andy
Where have you found "all others which say to SAAF 1620 etc"?
Every publication I have says it became or was intended to be SAAF 1628.
The ORB for 12 SAAF might give crew details, but I don't believe anyone was
hurt, since as you say, there is no crew details anywhere.
The incident happened at LG 39 which was not 12 SAAF base at the time.
It is not mentioned in McLean's Squadrons of the SAAF.
Cheers
Stig
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Post by Admin on Jan 8, 2023 14:05:38 GMT
 As requested, although I'm not sure the minimal info will help |
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Post by andym on Jan 8, 2023 14:29:33 GMT
Steve, Actually, yes it does, because it proves the SOC date was 15.3.42. I stand by my assertion that this incident took place in 1942 with 203 Sqn - sorry, Gunby/Temple and SAAF 85, but you're wrong Stig, you asked: "Where have you found "all others which say to SAAF 1620 etc"?" In the serials book which is the subject of this thread, EVERY other aircraft's entry, says, for example: AH301 to SAAF as No.1609 AH302 to SAAF as No.1612 whereas the entry for this aircraft states: AH318 Spun into ground on overshoot LG39; allotted serial SAAF No.1628 Quite simply, it crashed in 203 Sqn service before it could be handed over. Here is the National Archives entry: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17083489which incorrectly lists the serial as AM318 (a Hurricane) As I said, F/S Squires is listed in the 203 Sqn ORB as flying AH318 on 15.3.42. Andy |
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jan 9, 2023 17:57:10 GMT
Excellent detective works Andy Yes I admit defeat Odd that none of the followers of AB booklets never bothered to check the AM 78 form... (thanks Steve for providing that extremely important data!!) Perhaps I read too much into the AM 78 form, but it seems AH318 was assigned to SAAF already 15.6.1941 was collected by a 203 Sq crew and was on its way to the SAAF when this incident happened. But that is perhaps trying to read too much into the documents we have. Cheers Stig PS: Perhaps you should bet your last pennies after all?....  |
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Post by andym on Jan 10, 2023 10:27:48 GMT
Hudson AE592 went missing in action with 62 Sqn on 14 Feb 42: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17083226
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Post by andym on Feb 5, 2023 14:35:58 GMT
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Post by andym on Feb 6, 2023 12:19:10 GMT
This also corrects the DH Dragon book, and many other sources.
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Feb 17, 2023 16:57:25 GMT
Really very odd it is claimed the crew was with No 5 OTU at the time of the accident. It is far more realistic they were part of the OADU as listed in our books. Come to think about it, what evidence do we have at this stage that the accident did happen on the 18th and not the 15th? I suppose the National Archives are trying to read the same lousy hand written cards as everyone else.... Steve Do you think you can provide us with a copy of the AM 78 form for this one as well? Cheers Stig |
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Post by geoffnegus on Feb 17, 2023 17:57:54 GMT
Really very odd it is claimed the crew was with No 5 OTU at the time of the accident. It is far more realistic they were part of the OADU as listed in our books. Come to think about it, what evidence do we have at this stage that the accident did happen on the 18th and not the 15th? I suppose the National Archives are trying to read the same lousy hand written cards as everyone else.... Steve Do you think you can provide us with a copy of the AM 78 form for this one as well? Cheers Stig |
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Post by geoffnegus on Feb 17, 2023 18:03:07 GMT
Plt Off R W Charters is recorded by the CWGC as having been lost on 18.5.42.
Geoff
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