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Post by andym on Dec 21, 2020 12:53:26 GMT
131 OTU Catalina FP120 was lost on 2.11.43, as confirmed by the CWGC entries for the crew: |
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Post by davidlegg on Dec 23, 2020 15:05:59 GMT
I have the data below. The date of 03Nov43 would be the CAT.E FA date recorded on the Movement Card.....
FP120 Catalina IB (c/n 707) accepted 05Jun42; delivered 20Jun42; Elizabeth City; ferried Gander Lake to SAL, Greenock 09/10Sep42; 4 (C)OTU Invergordon 04Oct42; 4 (C)OTU Greenock 20Mar43 [hull code F]; 4 (C)OTU Invergordon 21Apr43; 4 (C)OTU Greenock 16Aug43; RAF Greenock 22Aug43; 4 (C)OTU Alness 08Sep43; 131 OTU (no date); 131 OTU Cat.E FA 03Nov43 after going missing on training flight. Last known position near Malinmore Head, Co. Donegal, NI. Nine crew lost; SOC 30Nov43
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Post by andym on Oct 12, 2021 16:20:33 GMT
Hudson FH385 of 269 Sqn was lost on 2.9.42, not the 1st as listed. it took off at 0506.
It was involved in the search for V9160, which was lost very late in the evening of the previous day. |
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Post by andym on Dec 18, 2021 12:16:32 GMT
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Post by andym on Feb 5, 2022 14:42:32 GMT
Following discussion on the RAF Commands forum, I think two Baltimore entries need correcting: FW499 set on fire when bomb on Spitfire MH532 blew up, Cesenatico, 20.4.45 FW732 DBR when Spitfire MH532 blew up, Cesenatico, 26.4.45 Aside from the fact that a different date is quoted for the same incident, Spitfire MH532 of 87 Sqn was destroyed at Pontedara, not Cesenatico. The incident at Cesenatico involved the loss of 446BS/321BG B-25J 43-4074, on 25.4.45. The 15 Sqn SAAF ORB confirms that "a large number of aircraft were damaged" in this incident.
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Post by andym on Feb 16, 2022 14:16:29 GMT
Kittyhawk FL277 of 3 Sqn RAAF was lost on 14.1.43, not 15.1.43
Source: ORB
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Post by andym on Feb 22, 2022 10:21:35 GMT
Kittyhawk FX710 of 450 Sqn was lost on 26.12.44, not 20.12.44 Source: RAF Commands Forum, using ORB and AM Form 78 |
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Post by andym on Jul 23, 2022 8:29:04 GMT
Our book records Baltimore FA539 as serving with 454 Sqn. As per the AM78, uploaded at: groups.io/g/AB-IX/message/193361this is not correct. It did not have any operational service. |
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jul 23, 2022 9:26:26 GMT
Andy
While the AM78 cards are important I would hesitate to treat them as Gospel.
Geoffrey has already pointed out the origin of the photo (IWM) where they state
it went to Egypt and served with the 70OTU at Shandur
This unit is known to have operated the Baltimore.
Jim Halley in his book (as does Andy Thomas) state the aircraft was used by the 454 RAAF Sq
also based in Egypt at the time.
This leaves three pretty good authorities (none of which are Gospels either) that have to
be wrong while the AM78 has to be right.
While the AM78 cards are both good and solid when it comes to aircraft which stayed in UK
they falter heavily when it comes to aircraft transferred to North Africa/Middle and Far East.
If I am not mistaken, historians can only rely on the remaining ORBs and log books including
photos to determine at least a roughly such aircraft's histories so far from home.
I agree it is odd there is no mentioning of the aircraft being either shipped out or TOC again when
returned. I was pretty certain myself it had been shipped out but is more hesitant now after
a very lengthy discussion on AB-IX. Would be interesting to see if anyone outside AB-IX can solve our
riddle....
Cheers
Stig
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Post by andym on Sept 10, 2022 11:24:33 GMT
Hudson FK752 was lost during the early evening of 9.11.44.
Confirmed by the ORB AIR27/1507/7
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Post by andym on May 15, 2023 17:09:54 GMT
Marauder FK117 of 14 Sqn crashed on 18.3.43, not 1.3.43 as listed. Confirmed by AIR-27-194-7: Some online sources seem to have copied this error...
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