Aviation World - Spring 2020 Feedback

andym
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Aviation World - Spring 2020 Feedback Mar 14, 2020 18:28:59 GMT

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Post by andym on Mar 14, 2020 18:28:59 GMT

Some comments on the Fouga article:

BELGIUM

I have never heard of the "nine other refurbished Magisters" being delivered to replace lost aircraft. Can anyone add more?

IRELAND

All six were obtained from Fouga, the 4 ex Austrian ones having been bought back by the company.

The two news ones were serials 219 and 220

LEBANON

Did not receive any aircraft from Finland. FM-3 was lost in Finnish service in 1961. I can only assume c/ns D183 and 183 have been confused.

AFAIK, they got a total of 9, not 10

BANGLADESH

See my AB-IX message of 17 January for my latest thoughts on these.

GABON

I doubt these were obtained direct from Austria. As with the Irish ones, they will have been sold back to the company.

GUATEMALA

No Magisters received.

EL SALVADOR

I think only 5 were received from Israel, serials: 500, 501, 503, 505, 507 (the gaps were not used)

YS-398 was not ex FAS - it was an ex French machine sold to the USA as N398F

SENEGAL

I believe the true situation was:

Five ex Brazilian aircraft overhauled in France (serials 556-560). 561 was a French aircraft which had nothing to do with Brazil. 570 and 571 went to Bangladesh.

Two delivered by air (for spares) in natural metal (French) scheme, they left Chateaudun 19Nov84 coded ME and MF respectively (French codes): 444, 448

TOGO

Although some (three) were loaned by France in 1976 (11, 14, 326), I don't think any of the aircraft quoted in the article were ever delivered. The should have got 5 ex German machines (D61, D65, D66, D70, D182), but all ended up going to Bangladesh.

Once again, no Finnish aircraft were involved. FM-2 saw out its days in Finnish service before going to the USA as N903DM (so same confusion as above between c/n 182 and c/n D182)

c/n D6 went from Germany to Israel - it never went anywhere near Togo.

Andy Marden

andym
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Aviation World - Spring 2020 Feedback Apr 9, 2020 8:46:00 GMT

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Post by andym on Apr 9, 2020 8:46:00 GMT

Well it's been nearly a month since I commented on the Fouga article, but I have no idea if anyone from the magazine has actually seen my comments....
Anyway, I also found three discrepancies in the Hunter histories:

XF381 – I thought this became Jordan 702, not 711, which was WW597
XF389 – I thought this became Jordan 830, not 829, which was XG234
XF431 – I thought this became Zimbabwe 1811, not 1180, which was XG228

Hopefully a Hunter specialist can quickly put these to bed.
Andy

Stig Jarlevik
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Aviation World - Spring 2020 Feedback Jun 3, 2020 21:44:35 GMT

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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Jun 3, 2020 21:44:35 GMT

Andy

Late, but I still seem to be the first to react...

Belgium
The story about "extra" delivered Magisters are rubbish
It started out (at least where I saw it first time), in an old issue of SEAR but at that time it was 10 aircraft which had been received from
"the old Katanga Air Force"
Somehow that story has now evolved into nine aircraft received from "some unknown source" to replace crashed aircraft.

Finland
When wfu those allowed were only sold to US collectors

El Salvador
Five or six are reported as sold by Israel. Your list might be very correct indeed

Senegal
As far as I know they only operated the former Brazilian aircraft
The two received later from France are obscure and you are probably right, they were only used for spares

Togo
I am no so sure they did not get any as you say.
Five ex Luftwaffe were reported as delivered (5V-MAR to 5V-MAV) in 1976. All sold back to Aerospatiale in 1985, overhauled and passed on to Bangladesh.
Interesting you mention three aircraft on loan. You have No 11, 14 and 326. I have No 11, 14 and 168

Adding to Brazil
They only received seven aircraft. As you say 561 never went near that country

Cheers
Stig