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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Sept 10, 2022 13:15:06 GMT
This is an odd one Andy I wonder why Spencer (killed on the 4th) is linked to this Oxford reportedly crashing on the 6th? Thus he is supposed to have been the only casualty resulting in this Oxford being totally destroyed. I notice the CWGC does not commit themselves only the National Archives. Unless everyone who previously has given the 6th has copied each other, there is very little known about the incident as such. Colin Cummings in his Clipped Wings Vol 1 has only the date (6th) and unit RAFC. Everything else is unknown, or listed with a four question marks. Strange that no one has checked the AIR 81 files until now. I confess I don't change the date unless more evidence, although I have added a note with Spencer's data. Just 19..... B Rgds Stig
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Post by andym on Oct 29, 2022 15:16:09 GMT
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Post by andym on May 7, 2023 11:00:41 GMT
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Post by andym on May 15, 2023 18:38:04 GMT
Hurricane P2980 of 1 Sqn was lost in the early hours of 2 3.8.40 - took off 0250, crashed on landing.
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Post by andym on Jul 9, 2023 15:18:32 GMT
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Post by andym on Aug 9, 2023 11:58:17 GMT
Spitfire P7816 was lost on 21 February 1941:
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Aug 9, 2023 12:39:20 GMT
Something is wrong here Andy, but I can't figure out what it is.
All second hand sources I have state P7816 crashed at Ashford, Kent on the 22nd (not 21st) See: RAF P1000 - P9999, Aeromilitaria Crash sites in the UK during WW 2, John Foreman - 1941 the Turning point vol 1
Other sources indicate there were no offensive patrols on the 21st which makes me wonder how Sgt Gildner could be missing on an operational flight.....
What does the ORB of 41 Sq say?
B Rgds Stig
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Post by geoffnegus on Aug 9, 2023 18:54:50 GMT
Something is wrong here Andy, but I can't figure out what it is. All second hand sources I have state P7816 crashed at Ashford, Kent on the 22nd (not 21st) See: RAF P1000 - P9999, Aeromilitaria Crash sites in the UK during WW 2, John Foreman - 1941 the Turning point vol 1 Other sources indicate there were no offensive patrols on the 21st which makes me wonder how Sgt Gildner could be missing on an operational flight..... What does the ORB of 41 Sq say? B Rgds Stig
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Post by geoffnegus on Aug 9, 2023 19:05:18 GMT
A very detailed feature about the loss of Sgt Gilder (note, not Gildner) by Roy Nesbit appeared in Aeroplane Monthly in May 1995.
21 February 1941 is correct.
I'll email it to you off-list.
Regards Geoffrey Negus
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Aug 9, 2023 20:09:34 GMT
Thanks Geoff
Got it! So it was a defensive patrol and on the 21st. I wonder how everyone else missed out on that?
B Rgds Stig
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Post by andym on Aug 12, 2023 19:12:51 GMT
This loss is listed in "Battle of Britain Then and Now", albeit with incorrect serial P3382.
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Post by andym on Sept 10, 2023 11:41:47 GMT
As per the AM78, Whirlwind P6996 was damaged beyond repair on 15 Sep 41. It was serving with 263 Sqn at the time. Piloted by Sgt Meredith, it crashed into P7039 on landing.
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Sept 10, 2023 12:34:35 GMT
As per the AM78, Whirlwind P6996 was damaged beyond repair on 15 Sep 41. It was serving with 263 Sqn at the time. Piloted by Sgt Meredith, it crashed into P7039 on landing.
All my second hand sources list this aircraft as having been handed over to Rolls Royce for engine development on 28 Aug 1941. Was it really back with 263 Sqn when it crashed? Cheers Stig
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Post by andym on Sept 10, 2023 16:04:19 GMT
Stig, The secondary sources will all have taken this from the AM78, which does indeed have an entry for Rolls-Royce. However, it was allocated to Rolls-Royce SAS (Servicing Air Section), which will have been a contractor's party at home base. See TOCH for more details: forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=10070&highlight=P6996Andy
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Post by Stig Jarlevik on Sept 10, 2023 16:47:21 GMT
Thanks Andy From where do you get the AM 78 forms? Cheers Stig
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